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		<title>By: shalom aleichem</title>
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		<dc:creator>shalom aleichem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeshua Hamashiach stated to the Samaratan woman at the well;

&#039;Salvation is of the Jews; God is a Spirit and those who worship

him must do so in Spirit and in Truth&#039;.  There is a vision in the

book of Zechariah which &#039;unifies&#039; the troubled history of our people

through the millennia - the two olive trees; here &#039;the one&#039; who is 

speaking declares - &#039;Not by might; nor by power - but only through

My Spirit says the Lord your God&#039;.  The ancient greeks also have a 

story like this - about visitors like those who spoke with Abram the 

Hebrew and Sarai; who turn a aged man and his wife in olive trees

which grew together as ONE......Jerusalem should be ONE in the 

Messiah who was ALMAH and KADOSH; there is a great salvation going

on in the world today - it is all about HEARING his GOSPEL - the good

news.  The great an holy temple will NOT be on tiny Mt. Moriah when

MOSHIACH comes but up upon Mt. Zion where the fighting still 

continues.  Be steadfast you Israelis - our father greatly loves you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeshua Hamashiach stated to the Samaratan woman at the well;</p>
<p>&#8216;Salvation is of the Jews; God is a Spirit and those who worship</p>
<p>him must do so in Spirit and in Truth&#8217;.  There is a vision in the</p>
<p>book of Zechariah which &#8216;unifies&#8217; the troubled history of our people</p>
<p>through the millennia &#8211; the two olive trees; here &#8216;the one&#8217; who is </p>
<p>speaking declares &#8211; &#8216;Not by might; nor by power &#8211; but only through</p>
<p>My Spirit says the Lord your God&#8217;.  The ancient greeks also have a </p>
<p>story like this &#8211; about visitors like those who spoke with Abram the </p>
<p>Hebrew and Sarai; who turn a aged man and his wife in olive trees</p>
<p>which grew together as ONE&#8230;&#8230;Jerusalem should be ONE in the </p>
<p>Messiah who was ALMAH and KADOSH; there is a great salvation going</p>
<p>on in the world today &#8211; it is all about HEARING his GOSPEL &#8211; the good</p>
<p>news.  The great an holy temple will NOT be on tiny Mt. Moriah when</p>
<p>MOSHIACH comes but up upon Mt. Zion where the fighting still </p>
<p>continues.  Be steadfast you Israelis &#8211; our father greatly loves you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jill,

Thanks for your postings that are highly interesting.

Well, I was taken by surprise by your decision. I feel that you took this decision only because of the behaviour of Jews concerning non-Jews (in Israel but it applies elsewhere), especially in your boyfriend&#039;s family.

This really negative behaviour very often takes its toll I could say for a non-Jew. 
But once you would have converted for love (no matter the traditions that you are still attached to and they are not deeply religious per se), you would have been more accepted in Israel than you think.

The behaviour of Jews with non-Jews is different than when you are a Jew and I do not like that.
Having said that, if you would have truly loved your boyfriend, religion would not have been an issue and you would have married him. Your blocked mentally too much on this issue of religion and it probably tainted your decision on your relationship.

I felt you felt that there was no hope in Israel for a non-Jew. And it is likely to be true maybe! Sad to say that! But love can overcome everything especially when you happen not to be religious at all despite your normal memories of Christmas and other traditions.

If you would have dug further into the traditions of Judaism, you would quickly have seen that they were traditions Jesus himself practiced and therefore that they would not have been difficult to make them your own traditions later on! Therefore, you would have been able to make them your own traditions over time (ten years maybe) when you will have learnt to know them better. I felt you lacked knowledge on Judaism but maybe I am wrong on this.

With Christian traditions, as you have done them regularly from childhood, you became attached to them BUT without truly knowing them. However, when you will dig further on their veracity and meaning of these traditions when you are back in the UK, you will be confronted with more unsolvable questions than answers! And you will dig further later on on these traditions because of your contact with Israel and Judaism. The trinity &quot;mystery&quot;, even today the debate on the historical Jesus, the reliability of the texts of the New Testament, and many more problems on the Christian faith!
For someone who is not a practicing Christian like you are, these questions never mattered before. But when you go back in the UK and you start again to practice these traditions, your mind will inquire about them more deeply than before and soon you will see that these Christian traditions are all based on falsehood!

When I read your article on money in Israel, the situation does not seem exciting I must say!

When you will come back in the UK and inevitably assess more your own traditions, you will find empty because you soon will understand that these beliefs are all based on falsehood. See the following few web sites on the Christian faith.
First, go to the sites of &quot;BET EMET MINISTRIES&quot; at http://www.faithofyeshua.faithweb.com/ This former pastor Craig M. Lyons M.Div. from Garland, Texas explains clearly this WHY question. He spent more than 20 years trying to seek the truth on his Christian faith and he discovered that Jesus was NOT the Messiah the Jews had been waiting. He gives the full explanation of his quest toward the truth on his websites.
At the end of this web page, he gives several other links worth checking too. By reading these sites, you will have the start of an answer on this WHY question. At the end of this web page, see also his link See Bet Emet Ministry&#039;s Other Websites To Help You Return To The Faith Of Jesus/Yeshua And Recover Lost Biblical Truth 

Anyway, I wish you happiness. If it means to leave Israel, so be it. But the facts (feelings I should say) on which you assessed your decision not to commit yourself to your Israeli boyfriend might be assessed again by you later on as being unsubstantiated!
I would like to hope that religion will not be a factor in finding true love for you. All the best to you. Habits are hard to abandon and habits linked to traditions are the same (even when these traditions have been proved to be false!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jill,</p>
<p>Thanks for your postings that are highly interesting.</p>
<p>Well, I was taken by surprise by your decision. I feel that you took this decision only because of the behaviour of Jews concerning non-Jews (in Israel but it applies elsewhere), especially in your boyfriend&#8217;s family.</p>
<p>This really negative behaviour very often takes its toll I could say for a non-Jew.<br />
But once you would have converted for love (no matter the traditions that you are still attached to and they are not deeply religious per se), you would have been more accepted in Israel than you think.</p>
<p>The behaviour of Jews with non-Jews is different than when you are a Jew and I do not like that.<br />
Having said that, if you would have truly loved your boyfriend, religion would not have been an issue and you would have married him. Your blocked mentally too much on this issue of religion and it probably tainted your decision on your relationship.</p>
<p>I felt you felt that there was no hope in Israel for a non-Jew. And it is likely to be true maybe! Sad to say that! But love can overcome everything especially when you happen not to be religious at all despite your normal memories of Christmas and other traditions.</p>
<p>If you would have dug further into the traditions of Judaism, you would quickly have seen that they were traditions Jesus himself practiced and therefore that they would not have been difficult to make them your own traditions later on! Therefore, you would have been able to make them your own traditions over time (ten years maybe) when you will have learnt to know them better. I felt you lacked knowledge on Judaism but maybe I am wrong on this.</p>
<p>With Christian traditions, as you have done them regularly from childhood, you became attached to them BUT without truly knowing them. However, when you will dig further on their veracity and meaning of these traditions when you are back in the UK, you will be confronted with more unsolvable questions than answers! And you will dig further later on on these traditions because of your contact with Israel and Judaism. The trinity &#8220;mystery&#8221;, even today the debate on the historical Jesus, the reliability of the texts of the New Testament, and many more problems on the Christian faith!<br />
For someone who is not a practicing Christian like you are, these questions never mattered before. But when you go back in the UK and you start again to practice these traditions, your mind will inquire about them more deeply than before and soon you will see that these Christian traditions are all based on falsehood!</p>
<p>When I read your article on money in Israel, the situation does not seem exciting I must say!</p>
<p>When you will come back in the UK and inevitably assess more your own traditions, you will find empty because you soon will understand that these beliefs are all based on falsehood. See the following few web sites on the Christian faith.<br />
First, go to the sites of &#8220;BET EMET MINISTRIES&#8221; at <a href="http://www.faithofyeshua.faithweb.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.faithofyeshua.faithweb.com/</a> This former pastor Craig M. Lyons M.Div. from Garland, Texas explains clearly this WHY question. He spent more than 20 years trying to seek the truth on his Christian faith and he discovered that Jesus was NOT the Messiah the Jews had been waiting. He gives the full explanation of his quest toward the truth on his websites.<br />
At the end of this web page, he gives several other links worth checking too. By reading these sites, you will have the start of an answer on this WHY question. At the end of this web page, see also his link See Bet Emet Ministry&#8217;s Other Websites To Help You Return To The Faith Of Jesus/Yeshua And Recover Lost Biblical Truth </p>
<p>Anyway, I wish you happiness. If it means to leave Israel, so be it. But the facts (feelings I should say) on which you assessed your decision not to commit yourself to your Israeli boyfriend might be assessed again by you later on as being unsubstantiated!<br />
I would like to hope that religion will not be a factor in finding true love for you. All the best to you. Habits are hard to abandon and habits linked to traditions are the same (even when these traditions have been proved to be false!).</p>
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		<title>By: Damka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading you is almost as good as talking to you..ur the best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading you is almost as good as talking to you..ur the best</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, wow! You are very wise for your age.  It is real important to know what you believe, before you can even begin to take on the beliefs of another. Your self realization and your unwillingness to allow &quot;the business of God&quot; to deter you from your own spirituality has you on a &quot;real&quot; good path. And I really hope that you will continue to share your journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, wow! You are very wise for your age.  It is real important to know what you believe, before you can even begin to take on the beliefs of another. Your self realization and your unwillingness to allow &#8220;the business of God&#8221; to deter you from your own spirituality has you on a &#8220;real&#8221; good path. And I really hope that you will continue to share your journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week in Israel: after the elections, putting together a coalition</title>
		<link>http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/04/04/not-jewish-what-are-you-doing-here-2/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week in Israel: after the elections, putting together a coalition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over at the group blog One Jerusalem (OJ), Jill is up to Part Seven of her ongoing memoir, Not Jewish?! What are you doing here? It&#8217;s the middle of Gulf War Two, her boyfriend has been called up for army reserve duty, and suddenly he sorta kinda pops the question. This means that Jill has to face the &#8220;C&#8221; word (convert), because she knows that her boyfriend would want their children to be Jewish. She never thought of herself as a religious Christian, but suddenly she starts to wonder what religion really means to her. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over at the group blog One Jerusalem (OJ), Jill is up to Part Seven of her ongoing memoir, Not Jewish?! What are you doing here? It&#8217;s the middle of Gulf War Two, her boyfriend has been called up for army reserve duty, and suddenly he sorta kinda pops the question. This means that Jill has to face the &#8220;C&#8221; word (convert), because she knows that her boyfriend would want their children to be Jewish. She never thought of herself as a religious Christian, but suddenly she starts to wonder what religion really means to her. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
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		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, that was a great piece about what it means to convert from one religion to another, even if you are not partiuarly religious. I had never thought before of all the cultural changes that are involved in such a conversion. Your piece  opened my eyes to what really is involved in all aspects of religions and the societies they create. Thank You.

Debbie: &quot;But as a post ending, that one&#039;s up there with Ingrid Bergman leaving Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca for the weepies&quot;. This series (&quot;Not Jewish ...&quot;) is really turning into Wartime nostigia. In Part Six, it was &quot;Mrs Miniver&quot; and now in this one, &quot;Casablanca&quot;! What Wartime Classic will Part Eight remind us of?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, that was a great piece about what it means to convert from one religion to another, even if you are not partiuarly religious. I had never thought before of all the cultural changes that are involved in such a conversion. Your piece  opened my eyes to what really is involved in all aspects of religions and the societies they create. Thank You.</p>
<p>Debbie: &#8220;But as a post ending, that one&#8217;s up there with Ingrid Bergman leaving Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca for the weepies&#8221;. This series (&#8220;Not Jewish &#8230;&#8221;) is really turning into Wartime nostigia. In Part Six, it was &#8220;Mrs Miniver&#8221; and now in this one, &#8220;Casablanca&#8221;! What Wartime Classic will Part Eight remind us of?!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the speedy posting, I couldn&#039;t wait for the conversion bit. Hey, better to be true to yourself than to convert under pressure or if unsure. It&#039;s ironic I think to wander around Tel Aviv, one of the most flashy places on the planet, and to think about G-d a lot. Some do I guess though. Jerusalem is another matter for me though, I feel quite a lot spirituality in the air there, but of course religion and spirituality are wayyyy different.
Really enjoying your blog, keep going!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the speedy posting, I couldn&#8217;t wait for the conversion bit. Hey, better to be true to yourself than to convert under pressure or if unsure. It&#8217;s ironic I think to wander around Tel Aviv, one of the most flashy places on the planet, and to think about G-d a lot. Some do I guess though. Jerusalem is another matter for me though, I feel quite a lot spirituality in the air there, but of course religion and spirituality are wayyyy different.<br />
Really enjoying your blog, keep going!!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left me all misty-eyed at the end of that.

I understand where you are coming from, obviously, and i don&#039;t blame you one iota.

But as a post ending, that one&#039;s up there with Ingrid Bergman leaving Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca for the weepies... *sniffle*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left me all misty-eyed at the end of that.</p>
<p>I understand where you are coming from, obviously, and i don&#8217;t blame you one iota.</p>
<p>But as a post ending, that one&#8217;s up there with Ingrid Bergman leaving Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca for the weepies&#8230; *sniffle*</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Jewish and in Israel you can bring in a bit of your childhood christmas excitement and memories.  I decorated a palm tree in my apartment with lemon-shaped lights (keeping it up all year too cos it looks kewl) for my family when they came to visit and we stuffed a couple of presents under it and opened them on &quot;the day.&quot;  Obviously, being Jews (albeit completely secular) Christmas has no religious significance for us but rather the very things you miss --family, food, fun --and was a big part of the year for us as kids especially as we grew up in the deep south where nearly everyone is christian.  We also attended a Xmas party here in T. A. held by some friends of mine who are in a mixed-marriage along with a lot of other olim who were missing the festivities they had grown up surrounded by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Jewish and in Israel you can bring in a bit of your childhood christmas excitement and memories.  I decorated a palm tree in my apartment with lemon-shaped lights (keeping it up all year too cos it looks kewl) for my family when they came to visit and we stuffed a couple of presents under it and opened them on &#8220;the day.&#8221;  Obviously, being Jews (albeit completely secular) Christmas has no religious significance for us but rather the very things you miss &#8211;family, food, fun &#8211;and was a big part of the year for us as kids especially as we grew up in the deep south where nearly everyone is christian.  We also attended a Xmas party here in T. A. held by some friends of mine who are in a mixed-marriage along with a lot of other olim who were missing the festivities they had grown up surrounded by.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not being Jewish that prevents one from taking part in a nativity play; it&#039;s being Jewish in Israel. I have vivid memories of being cast as a sheep when aged 5 for a nativity play at school in London. My acting skills obviously improved by the time I was 12, as I was then (type-)cast as the Rabbi in the school production of Cabaret. Oy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not being Jewish that prevents one from taking part in a nativity play; it&#8217;s being Jewish in Israel. I have vivid memories of being cast as a sheep when aged 5 for a nativity play at school in London. My acting skills obviously improved by the time I was 12, as I was then (type-)cast as the Rabbi in the school production of Cabaret. Oy.</p>
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