Comments on: Iran, The Eurovision, and Us http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/ Israel news, politics, people, pictures, video and much much more .. really! Trust Us .... Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:31:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Mikko http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2363 Mikko Sun, 28 May 2006 15:02:37 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2363 Sad losers. Sad losers.

]]> By: vesku http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2359 vesku Sun, 28 May 2006 13:27:51 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2359 Heh, it's good to know Dana International wasn't wearing a bizarre costume, and that Ah-Ba-Ni-Bi is Hebrew and means something! ;) BTW, you won with a song called Hallelujah once didn't you? So we just copied Israel and joined the club! Heh, it’s good to know Dana International wasn’t wearing a bizarre costume, and that Ah-Ba-Ni-Bi is Hebrew and means something! ;)

BTW, you won with a song called Hallelujah once didn’t you? So we just copied Israel and joined the club!

]]> By: serjozha http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2340 serjozha Sun, 28 May 2006 03:20:35 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2340 "Many other countries, including Sweden, Germany and even Russia (which came in second) had much better songs than the Finns whose living in Lapland must be so boring that they have to go to these extremes to win a song contest." The first part of the sentence is a matter of taste, and I will not argue with you. However, if you have a look at a map, you see that Lappland consists of the nothernmost parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland. Enough for geography... Well, living in Finland may be boring, I admit, compared to your extreme life in Israeli that we can see every day on TV... Our monsters and pyrotechnics are, after all, plain "panis et circenses"... "Their gyrations and bizarre costumes were so grotesque that any sane person can only wonder if the Continent of Europe is once again slipping back into the Dark Ages, (---)" In my humble opinion, you should probably be more concerned aboout the half-naked chicks that have crowded the stage... “Many other countries, including Sweden, Germany and even Russia (which came in second) had much better songs than the Finns whose living in Lapland must be so boring that they have to go to these extremes to win a song contest.”

The first part of the sentence is a matter of taste, and I will not argue with you. However, if you have a look at a map, you see that Lappland consists of the nothernmost parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland. Enough for geography… Well, living in Finland may be boring, I admit, compared to your extreme life in Israeli that we can see every day on TV… Our monsters and pyrotechnics are, after all, plain “panis et circenses”…

“Their gyrations and bizarre costumes were so grotesque that any sane person can only wonder if the Continent of Europe is once again slipping back into the Dark Ages, (—)”

In my humble opinion, you should probably be more concerned aboout the half-naked chicks that have crowded the stage…

]]> By: Miriam http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2337 Miriam Sat, 27 May 2006 22:43:16 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2337 Sorry for this reality check, but you're not the center of the world. Put up with it or keep on dreaming. Sorry for this reality check, but you’re not the center of the world. Put up with it or keep on dreaming.

]]> By: Rhubarb http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2226 Rhubarb Thu, 25 May 2006 13:59:03 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2226 Tuuppa Rolloon! Tuuppa Rolloon!

]]> By: Riihele http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2223 Riihele Thu, 25 May 2006 12:11:35 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2223 Oooppsy - Douze Blondi points pour moi for the spelling mistake: I meant to write that the Israeli song this year was/is, chronic. Sorry... Are the Blondi points counted on this blog?!! Oooppsy - Douze Blondi points pour moi for the spelling mistake: I meant to write that the Israeli song this year was/is, chronic. Sorry…
Are the Blondi points counted on this blog?!!

]]> By: Anders Jakobsen http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2136 Anders Jakobsen Tue, 23 May 2006 22:01:51 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2136 "The message this article is trying to get through is that the Eurovision can and has been politicised - especially against Israel." Funny thing to say. Thats is exactly the same the Russian press is saying Europe is doing to them, the british press is saying Europe is doing to them. Even the French, the Danish, the Swedish and the Germans are using the same excuse. All have their own excuse because, hey, it cannot actually be the quality of their artists performance, could it? Everybody heard about this article http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/9/2/1.html and found the perfect excuse, ignoring the fact, that the political vote don´t actually decide the winners, since they always get votes from across the line, this year even more so. “The message this article is trying to get through is that the Eurovision can and has been politicised - especially against Israel.”

Funny thing to say. Thats is exactly the same the Russian press is saying Europe is doing to them, the british press is saying Europe is doing to them. Even the French, the Danish, the Swedish and the Germans are using the same excuse. All have their own excuse because, hey, it cannot actually be the quality of their artists performance, could it?

Everybody heard about this article http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/9/2/1.html and found the perfect excuse, ignoring the fact, that the political vote don´t actually decide the winners, since they always get votes from across the line, this year even more so.

]]> By: Petri F http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2116 Petri F Tue, 23 May 2006 14:17:07 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2116 Its funny how much talk the Lordi's winning has caused ... But to connect it and to talk about an idea of Pan-European anti-semitism is absurd, when even the argument that there is a connection between the critisism of Israeli state and anti-semitism is standing on thin ice. To me its odd that the critisism of actions of Israelis, as citizens of an individual state, are always seen as attack to their religion. As Finnish "I.R. Politics nerd" I am stunned and offended by this writing for two reasons. First because it presents discaring a single Israeli act as another sign of European hostility towards Jewish religion and implyes that Europe is facing a intellectual regression. Why? Because Finland won Eurovision. I cant help but wonder why a song contest even have to be seen as politics. Second ... The author talks about increased racism towards Jewish, but also states that Finland is such a hole that nothing but B.S. comes out of it and now when the B.S. has won by a score never seen before we should consider how it hurt your feelings!! How can you try to protect your own people and on the same time talk like that about another nation. You should be ashamed of yourself! (If I had a mossad it would be after you ..) :) I am glad that people like ReiN know the difference between of me feeling anti-Israeli (singular = the author) right now and being a neo-nazi. I wish the best. ... The way how the author differentiated Isreal from Europe makes me think what Miguel said. If there is such a gap between Europe and Israel what the author describes, why Israel is taking part to the Eurovision song contest. Its funny how much talk the Lordi’s winning has caused … But to connect it and to talk about an idea of Pan-European anti-semitism is absurd, when even the argument that there is a connection between the critisism of Israeli state and anti-semitism is standing on thin ice. To me its odd that the critisism of actions of Israelis, as citizens of an individual state, are always seen as attack to their religion. As Finnish “I.R. Politics nerd” I am stunned and offended by this writing for two reasons.

First because it presents discaring a single Israeli act as another sign of European hostility towards Jewish religion and implyes that Europe is facing a intellectual regression. Why? Because Finland won Eurovision. I cant help but wonder why a song contest even have to be seen as politics.

Second … The author talks about increased racism towards Jewish, but also states that Finland is such a hole that nothing but B.S. comes out of it and now when the B.S. has won by a score never seen before we should consider how it hurt your feelings!! How can you try to protect your own people and on the same time talk like that about another nation. You should be ashamed of yourself! (If I had a mossad it would be after you ..) :)

I am glad that people like ReiN know the difference between of me feeling anti-Israeli (singular = the author) right now and being a neo-nazi. I wish the best.

… The way how the author differentiated Isreal from Europe makes me think what Miguel said. If there is such a gap between Europe and Israel what the author describes, why Israel is taking part to the Eurovision song contest.

]]> By: Ed G. http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2073 Ed G. Tue, 23 May 2006 08:35:17 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2073 Look people, the Finns are ok, even though, as in other Scandinavian countries a six month winter can be a bit of a drag. Israel's song was only there because no other Israeli group wanted to come. Last year, Shiri Maimon, the country's contestant, literally sang her little heart out and actually came in fourth - not bad. The message this article is trying to get through is that the Eurovision can and has been politicised - especially against Israel. And judging from recent goings on in the E.U., the 'climate' may be starting to change there. After, all, people though Hitler was funny in the early 1930's. They didn't think that way afterwards. And the thing about the ID badges IS being connsidered by the Iranians. Look people, the Finns are ok, even though, as in other Scandinavian countries a six month winter can be a bit of a drag.

Israel’s song was only there because no other Israeli group wanted to come. Last year, Shiri Maimon, the country’s contestant, literally sang her little heart out and actually came in fourth - not bad.

The message this article is trying to get through is that the Eurovision can and has been politicised - especially against Israel. And judging from recent goings on in the E.U., the ‘climate’ may be starting to change there.

After, all, people though Hitler was funny in the early 1930’s. They didn’t think that way afterwards. And the thing about the ID badges IS being connsidered by the Iranians.

]]> By: She http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2071 She Tue, 23 May 2006 07:36:49 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2071 Yes, let's face it. Our entry this year was simply not good enough. It wasn't a bad song, it was just very plain vanilla. Nothing exciting, and too bland to make an impression in this year's contest. Sure, there's anti-Semitism in Europe, but if it's widespread enough and organized enough to influence the results of a sappy, fun, song competition, we've got much bigger problems than losing at Eurovision. Oh, and I could be wrong about this, but I believe that Eddie Butler was actually born in Israel, and isn't an "imported performer". Yes, let’s face it. Our entry this year was simply not good enough. It wasn’t a bad song, it was just very plain vanilla. Nothing exciting, and too bland to make an impression in this year’s contest. Sure, there’s anti-Semitism in Europe, but if it’s widespread enough and organized enough to influence the results of a sappy, fun, song competition, we’ve got much bigger problems than losing at Eurovision. Oh, and I could be wrong about this, but I believe that Eddie Butler was actually born in Israel, and isn’t an “imported performer”.

]]> By: david http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2070 david Tue, 23 May 2006 07:32:13 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2070 I say yeah - I say yeah Would you love a monsterman Could you understand beauty of beast I would do it all for you, would you do it all Do it all for me I say yeah - I say yeah
Would you love a monsterman
Could you understand beauty of beast
I would do it all for you, would you do it all
Do it all for me

]]> By: Migel http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2049 Migel Tue, 23 May 2006 06:19:17 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2049 Last time I checked Israel is not even part of Europe. I have never understood why the country takes part in the eurovision song contest. Lebanon - for instance - is much closer to Europe ;-) Last time I checked Israel is not even part of Europe. I have never understood why the country takes part in the eurovision song contest. Lebanon - for instance - is much closer to Europe ;-)

]]> By: Janssoni http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2046 Janssoni Tue, 23 May 2006 01:04:07 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2046 "Speaking of the Finns, their ‘heavy metal’ version of The Rocky Mountain Horror Show was nothing less than absolutely disgusting. Many other countries, including Sweden, Germany and even Russia (which came in second) had much better songs than the Finns whose living in Lapland must be so boring that they have to go to these extremes to win a song contest." I can't believe you're talking about prejudice towards the Israeli people in an article in which you post the type of ignorant drivel quoted above. Granted, you are entitled to your opinions, but the fact remains that Finland won, by a wide margin (the highest number of points in Eurovision history, I might add), for the first time ever. And just to clarify, Lordi have been around for a long time. The masks and costumes weren't something cooked up just to stir up controversy and gain media coverage. They've always looked the way they do. When it happened, I personally couldn't believe that the Finns for this band to be their representatives at Eurovision, but they did, and it seems that the rest of europe was ready to follow suit. Kind of gives you an idea about people's attitudes towards this silly competition, doesn't it? To claim that Israel was somehow ostracized from this from this competition for anti-semitic reasons is, in my opinion, purile, and fundamentally childish. And as for finding parallels between Eurovision and middle-eastern politics, well, that's just got LOL written all over it. “Speaking of the Finns, their ‘heavy metal’ version of The Rocky Mountain Horror Show was nothing less than absolutely disgusting. Many other countries, including Sweden, Germany and even Russia (which came in second) had much better songs than the Finns whose living in Lapland must be so boring that they have to go to these extremes to win a song contest.”

I can’t believe you’re talking about prejudice towards the Israeli people in an article in which you post the type of ignorant drivel quoted above.

Granted, you are entitled to your opinions, but the fact remains that Finland won, by a wide margin (the highest number of points in Eurovision history, I might add), for the first time ever. And just to clarify, Lordi have been around for a long time. The masks and costumes weren’t something cooked up just to stir up controversy and gain media coverage. They’ve always looked the way they do.

When it happened, I personally couldn’t believe that the Finns for this band to be their representatives at Eurovision, but they did, and it seems that the rest of europe was ready to follow suit. Kind of gives you an idea about people’s attitudes towards this silly competition, doesn’t it?

To claim that Israel was somehow ostracized from this from this competition for anti-semitic reasons is, in my opinion, purile, and fundamentally childish. And as for finding parallels between Eurovision and middle-eastern politics, well, that’s just got LOL written all over it.

]]> By: Riihele http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2044 Riihele Mon, 22 May 2006 22:07:38 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2044 BIDIUK!! BIDIUK!!

]]> By: Latex beats Botox http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2042 Latex beats Botox Mon, 22 May 2006 21:04:17 +0000 http://www.onejerusalem.com/2006/05/21/iran-the-eurovision-and-us/#comment-2042 Thank you, ReiN, for those few words of calm. They are balm to the soul. Lordi won for the simple reason that enough (young) people in enough countries with swift fingers and a mobile phone decided they had had ENOUGH of semi-dressed chicks with over-ripe gazongas and minimal singing & dancing talent, and the result was a surprising and refreshing display of democracy in action, whether one LIKES the Lordi tune or not. As the initial poster wrote (well, almost wrote): "The Botox contingent's gyrations and bizarre lack of costumes were so grotesque that any sane person can only wonder if the Continent of Europe is once again slipping back into the Age of the Dirty Postcard". Attributing the failure of this year's Israeli entry to a Europe-wide anti-Semitism or some cock and bull conspiracy involving a Finnish theatrical rock band and the Iranian mullahs is so laughable that it really ought to be entered by the IBA at the Golden Rose Competition in Lucerne - in the comedy category. Sometimes a bad song is just a bad song, and if the French Jewish citizens got on the phone and voted for the Jewish State, well, that's very laudable in its way, but it's really a campy SONG contest and not a yardstick of national identity or merit. Nor does being Israeli, or Irish, or Latvian, or Armenian, or even Monagasque ENTITLE one to get points. Ask any Finn about that. Thank you, ReiN, for those few words of calm. They are balm to the soul.
Lordi won for the simple reason that enough (young) people in enough countries with swift fingers and a mobile phone decided they had had ENOUGH of semi-dressed chicks with over-ripe gazongas and minimal singing & dancing talent, and the result was a surprising and refreshing display of democracy in action, whether one LIKES the Lordi tune or not.
As the initial poster wrote (well, almost wrote): “The Botox contingent’s gyrations and bizarre lack of costumes were so grotesque that any sane person can only wonder if the Continent of Europe is once again slipping back into the Age of the Dirty Postcard”.

Attributing the failure of this year’s Israeli entry to a Europe-wide anti-Semitism or some cock and bull conspiracy involving a Finnish theatrical rock band and the Iranian mullahs is so laughable that it really ought to be entered by the IBA at the Golden Rose Competition in Lucerne - in the comedy category.

Sometimes a bad song is just a bad song, and if the French Jewish citizens got on the phone and voted for the Jewish State, well, that’s very laudable in its way, but it’s really a campy SONG contest and not a yardstick of national identity or merit. Nor does being Israeli, or Irish, or Latvian, or Armenian, or even Monagasque ENTITLE one to get points. Ask any Finn about that.

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